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Rima said in December 8th, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Twelve comments, which were originally posted on my temporary blog as I was revamping News-Geek:

(Anonymous) (207.68.254.14) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
ugh.
I hate the part right at the beginning, where, if they are to be believed, Sarah Palin didn’t know that South Africa was country and Africa was a continent, not a country, didn’t know basically all the stuff you’re supposed to learn by sixth grade, and Bill O’Reilly says– “well, she’s not stupid. They can tutor her.”

Wha? No–if in fact as an adult you do not know those things, then, yes, you ARE stupid. Very stupid. If you are campaigning for the highest office in the world, then you may be criminally stupid.

Can you imagine–civics class tutoring for someone a heartbeat away from the presidency? Oh my god, thank God these people lost.

However, I’m with you–I think she’s being thrown under the bus. They all suck.
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(Anonymous) (74.62.78.70) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
From Ashley DeWitt
Well, you know me and this is certainly sad to hear. I’m not going to lie, I like Sarah Palin but I do not think it would have been a good thing for her to be President. However, I wasn’t voting for her to be Prez, I was voting for McCain (yes, I realize she would’ve been next in command, but that still didn’t stop me for voting McCain). ANYWAY this is sad to me. I agree she was and is not qualified. I agree there are things she did not know that she could be taught. I am EXTREMELY disappointed that this is coming out in the news. To clarify, I’m disappointed that this is HAPPENING to be able to come out in the news. Seriously, if you can’t even get along in your own inner circle while campaigning how the h*ll are you going to pull together to lead the country? This is really upsetting to me. I think it’s REALLY REALLY sh*tty of McCain/whoever to throw her under the bus like this when 1 week ago they were saying “she’s great, she’s good, she’s gonna help me lead, she’s qualified” and then the NEXT DAY after elections they’re badmouthing her? REALLY? I just…I don’t know what to say.
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(no subject) – [info]thomas7g – Nov. 6th, 2008 05:54 pm (UTC)
[info]thomas7g (24.24.177.189) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 06:13 pm (UTC)
I think the reporter is placing too much emphasis on info from a biased source with an agenda.

In this case, I think O’Reilly is more credible in the video in restraining the reporting.

I think there may be some truth in the reporting, but it’s way out of proportion and distorts the truth. To make an analogy, the volume is too loud and distorting, so turn down the volume to make it more clear.

:D
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[info]thomas7g (24.24.177.189) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
[info]thomas7g wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 09:54 am (local)
Hmmm… I think your questions are a bit too based on cable news, which you can either approve or disapprove of. But both of those directions lie in a line, a single dimension, and the answer is three dimensional.

Yes, she’s a smart woman. But she’s not experienced with the world outside of Alaska. I myself can’t name any of the small states next to where you live, yet I used to know that 20 years ago in grade school, and I’ve worked with relativistic physics in college. So you can be smart and have gaps in your knowledge that any sixth grader can use to make you look stupid.

I also think the rift between McCain and Palin is more a media creation than truth. Though I’m sure their supporters are warring and blaming each other (and the media is sensationalizing it), I don’t think McCain and Palin themselves dislike each other. I’ve listened to Palin talk about McCain in post election interviews, and there is a fondness in her voice. And I’ve been a follower of McCain and he doesn’t seem the type to be petty. I really think he blames himself more than anyone else.

Anyways, on something sorta related… check out the Daily Show online. They interviewed a Fox News reporter yesterday. You will like how badly biased he looks.

btw, the above reply should be attached to this post… I did something funky..and it got stuck there….
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[info]ngdotcom (98.216.105.86) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC)
“Hmmm… I think your questions are a bit too based on cable news, which you can either approve or disapprove of. But both of those directions lie in a line, a single dimension, and the answer is three dimensional.”

Indeed, they are based on cable news. The reason for this is that Fox News has been the only network to pretty much endorse the McCain campaign and Governor Palin. Further, O’Reilly has been a big Palin supporter on his own show. So I find it interesting that a top FNC staffer is sharing this information at all, and that he’s especially doing it on O’Reilly’s show.

This is the buck-passing I”m referring to, and it’s got me downright confused. :)

Note that they mentioned that the candidates themselves denied the stories, yet they spent more than a solid segment (more than five minutes) sharing all kinds of anonymous rumors.

I don’t think McCain is putting the blame on Palin, but that his staffers and/or Fox News would do this really perplexes me.
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[info]thomas7g (24.24.177.189) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 10:46 pm (UTC)

I can imagine the McCain and Palin staffers don’t want to be blamed for losing the election. So I’m sure they are trying to deflect blame at each other. PLUS alot of McCain staffers got absorbed from the Romney campaign, and they have loyalties to Romney who might run again in 4 years, and they see Palin as a major opponent. So they might be shooting Palin down now to clear the way for the future.

This is part anger, part pettiness but also there’s some early strategy showing.

I wouldn’t trust FOX News to report on this. They are still a very propaganda based organization. And they make money on what the right finds interesting. And right now, they want to scapegoat people for this failed campaign. And any rumors and innuendo, even if it’s untrue, will get reported and given an air of “truth”.

Personally, I think the quotes are biased and blowing things out of proportion. Did Palin know what countries were involved in Nafta? Probaly not, but I don’t know for sure if Nafta includes Puerto Rico, which is an American territory. Or Haiti. Or Greenland. Or Cuba…though since that country is embargoed, I doubt it.

There is alot of news that is feeding on people’s thirst, and are more sensational more than factual. And really isn’t reliable.

I don’t think she would have made a GREAT president. But then, I think she could have done a semi adequate job for a brief time. Probably about as well as Bush Jr. And most people loved him for the first few years. He had high approvals. I think Palin has a similiar intelligence and belief system.

:D
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[info]thomas7g (24.24.177.189) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 11:22 pm (UTC)
btw Reemie,

one thing I find interesting is that the right is asking “WHY DID WE LOSE?”.

And alot of the people in the right don’t accept that Rev Wright and Ayers were non-issues. They believe Obama is inexperienced. And you can’t trust him. So HOW can someone like that get elected? That’s what they are asking. And FOX News caters to that person.

I looked at FOX News during the election night. It was amazing that on the day that the first black man broke all racial barriers and became our new president, that the mood at Fox News was similiar to a funeral dirge. The “fair and balanced” channel treated the end of racial discrimination in america like the death of a dear friend. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not implying they support racism in any way. But on the day that filled so many around the world with pure absolute joy, they were depressed and dysfunctional.

I bet that made your day to read that.
:D
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[info]jimbyz (65.223.239.67) wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:42 pm (UTC)
Jim again, posting under my newly-created LJ account.

CNN pundit Campbell Brown made similar comments about the buck-passing going on: she chews out the McCain advisors leaking these stories for trying to cover their own asses.

I read an article elsewhere that confirms what thomas7g said below: the staffers leaking these stories are mostly ex-Romney aides who McCain brought aboard. They apparently want to discredit Palin because they see her as a threat to Romney in 2012 (or 2016).

Finally, The Daily Show just had to weigh in on this. :)
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(Anonymous) (65.223.239.67) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 09:11 pm (UTC)
Thoughts
Jim Zawisza
I posted this on Facebook myself, and not just because I’m a liberal Democrat who despises Sarah Palin’s politics. This video speaks to a few broader points about Palin and the Republican party, I think.

My feeling about Palin is that while she may very well be smart, she’s not intellectually curious. She reminds me very much of a friend of mine, who also happens to be named Sarah. My friend Sarah, by her own admission, was not raised to be curious about the world outside of her own experience, and so she was lacking in some common knowledge. For example, she’d never heard of the Twin Towers before 9/11. But she’s made a strong effort to fill in the gaps, and she’s done an amazing job. Sarah Palin seems to be very much like this. Does this make her a bad person? No. Does this make her unqualified to be vice-president? Definitely. If she really didn’t know the countries that signed NAFTA or that Africa is a continent and not a country, then she was hands down the least qualified VP candidate in modern memory. These are not gotcha questions.

Of course, these allegations are coming from anonymous sources, so you have to take them with a grain of salt. It’s possible that angry McCain staffers are inventing them out of whole cloth. But my gut feeling is that while they may be somewhat exaggerated, there’s some truth there. If this video was from Keith Olbermann instead of Bill O’Reilly, I’d dismiss it as too outrageous to be true. But the fact that it’s on Fox News gives it credibility in my eyes.

Even more important than that, though, is what this video says about the current state of the Republican Party. There’s a civil war going on there, and I think this is just the opening salvo. I’m frankly amazed at how badly GOP message discipline seems to have broken down. It’s the Democrats who are supposed to self-destruct like this, and the Republicans who are supposed to be rock-solid. But as I said to someone else today, the Democrats are the new Republicans, and vice versa.

If I were a Republican, I’d think very carefully about where I wanted the party to go over the next few years. In particular, I would think twice about Palin in 2012, for the same reason that I wasn’t thrilled about Clinton this year: both of them would be entering the race with high negatives, particularly among independents. That’s a recipe for disaster in the general election. I think 2008 has repudiated the Rovian politics of 2004 and proven that just getting out the base isn’t enough to win.

On a side note, if the McCain we saw during his concession speech Tuesday had been the one who had shown up to campaign, I think the race would have been a lot closer.
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[info]ngdotcom (98.216.105.86) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 09:31 pm (UTC)
Re: Thoughts
“Of course, these allegations are coming from anonymous sources, so you have to take them with a grain of salt. It’s possible that angry McCain staffers are inventing them out of whole cloth.”

This is part of what concerns me, and it’s the buck-passing I am referring to above. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with your response–that is, where you say that this video speaks volumes about the GOP right now.

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[info]thewatcherlives (71.195.139.199) wrote:
Nov. 6th, 2008 11:20 pm (UTC)
To answer the final question…Republicans. They are the party of pass the buck. Have I seen Democrats do it? Of course. Would there be similar stories in the press about Obama if he had lost? I doubt it. My first impression of Palin was correct. And I am proud of that. As I said in my LJ yesterday, these Fox-News types and other conservative whiners have just become completely irrelevant. If they want to pass the buck about why they lost, let them. They are going to fade into the background and wind up in the dustbin of history.
I read Ann Coulter’s column this morning on Yahoo! Talk about irrelevant. Anyway, you get my point. I’ll write a whole entry if I keep babbling.
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[info]flameswithin (69.132.40.244) wrote:
Nov. 10th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
I can’t speak to what’s true or not about Palin (other than she came off as a dumbass during interviews), but I really resented the Joe Sixpack moniker. It refers to me–I drink PBR and work in a FACTORY. But the word was dripping with condescension! It said, “these people are commoners, they are beneath me, but I’m so pious I’ll lower myself to their level. But for realz, that kind of labor and swill is for the poor.”

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